So you are saying, the Board supports the dividers for DDR500 also on a Revision C core? I can remember when you published an article explaining it's a new feature of Revision E. Please clarify.
Everything I have seen thus far on the ATI chipset points to the FSB dropping to DDR333 *IF* you populate all 4 DIMM slots (with DDR400 RAM) This was an issue at the CPU level with AMD Athalon on board memory controller (at first) but has been addressed with the newer steppings. VIA and Nvidia chipsets have support for DDR400 with all 4 slots populated. This is a very important aspect to me and it needs to be addressed.
It was addressed in tRAS and Memory Stress Tests in the review - p.5. We had no trouble with 4 dimms at DDR400, though we did have to drop to 2T with 4 dimms as we do on every other AMD chipset. This is more a function of the on-CPU memory controller.
I'd like to know what happens when you try two 6800s in a crossfire motherboard...
I'm also curious about what happens why you try crossfire graphics cards on an NF4 SLI motherboard...
Early on I heard rumors that the motherboard implementation would be similar between the two and that mixing motherboard/graphics manufacturers *might* be possible...
Now the hardware is showing up and no one has tried it?
Check: page 11 "Ethernet Performance" has format errors:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?... Copied & pasted:
It will almost always be <em>much</em> lower than what we have measured.<br /> <br /> </span> </div> <div class="adcontainer"></div> <table border="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td align="right" colspan="2"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td><strong><a href="showdoc.aspx?i=2542&p=12" class="smalllink">Audio
Ethernet page has same problem as b4 here
I`m using firefox latest beta and the browser considers the page done after this line.
Ntttcpr - m 4,0,
I guess u use a template for these reviews I had exactly the same prob with ( and commented similarly ) with I think the asrock dual article.
I guess not many others are getting this prob but I`m glad 2 see some! else has a prob and not just me.
What browser are u using ?
Wesley have u tried 2 view the article with firefox beta ? or even firefox ?
Articles are created in a document engine by our Web Editor, from basic information layouts we send the Web Editor. The engine generates HTML code. We don't individually generate the code for articles. Any problems with viewing the pages should be emailed to our webmaster Jason.Clark@anandtech.com
Thanks for the replies gents
I am not using any blockers or extentions .. apart from FF default pop up blocker.
I will mail jason with the facts (as I see them)
I`ll also send the info to the FF team
THX again
tanekaha
If you're using any extensions to block ads or other content, you might want to try disabling those. I've been using Firefox for over a year now, and I don't have any issues with the pages. (Some pages render improperly the first time and I need to hit refresh, but that's generally only on long pages, and it seems more of a FF bug than anything.)
Great article, but how about benchmarking real apps on the overclocked settings and comparing the result to the non-overclocked ones instead of just comparing the highest attainable memory/bus speed overclocks?
A 7800GTX or X1800 can easily do 1600x1200 at 85 Hz - and probably outperform X850XT Crossfire. It's all a matter of perspective.
In addition, Derek has already said the next gen (X1800), due out in less than 2 weeks, does not have this limitation in Crossfire mode. That's why he did not recommend Crossfire X850/X800 and said to wait a short while. THAT Crossfire solution will also work on this board.
Red Herring. We're talking about the motherboard and how wellit can overclock the cpu). The graphics card is irrelevant (and the limitation on the xfire cards themselves not the motherboard).
2nd page:
The various ATI Radeon Xpress 200 north bridges can also be combined with ULi south bridges. The current ULi 1573 provides all the features of the ATI BS450 except integrated Gigabit Ethernet.
I have spoken witrh ATI and several mfgs this morning to update board availability. Between today and the 2nd week of October we should see RETAIL Crossfire motherboards appear from DFI, Gigabyte, ECS, MSI, Asus and a few others. RETAIL availability means you will be able to buy them at New Egg or other e'tailers at that time.
X850XT Master Cards are expected to be for sale RETAIL tomorrow, September 28th, with X800 Master Cards several weeks away.
I have a Gigabyte Crossfire AMD in my hands as I write this. It is the release Vewrsion 1.0 board and I received the release BIOS this morning.
"yeah, we know our usb performance sucks on SB400, we're fixing it in SB450"
"Yeah, we know our usb performance sucks on SB450, we're fixing it in SB600"
prediction:
"Yeah, we still don't have USB 2.0 working properly on SB600, wait till SB700, when USB 3.0 comes out and we'll be ok."
Kind of hard to understand how they can do just about everything else on the mobo correctly, but continually screw up USB 2.0. USB 2.0 is a commodity at this point, it is just suppose to work, with no worries, etc.
I use USB 2.0 on a daily basis, it really isn't an area I'm willing to slack on.
Hm. I'm getting a new mobo soon (as in the next 2 weeks). Is this a paper launch, or will we see single slot solutions out there soon? nVidia has set a precedent with the instant availiblity and massive volume (relatively, I mean they're selling below MSRP for a reason) of their 7800 series. It could be more damaging than delaying the R520 if they don't have it and this mobo out STAT.
Would be kinda funny though...for years I've run nVidia chipsets and ATi graphics. Looks like it might get reversed...
Agreed. Not that I'm referring to AT's conclusions being questionable in any way, shape or manner, I know they say what they see, but it's pretty much obvious that ever manufacturer/vendor simply handpicks any given piece of hardware that is sent to AT for review, since they all know that AT is pretty much the most trusted site. Although I appreciate early previews we get here, I'm a much bigger fan of reviews of retail products. That's about what you'll be able to buy, right away or in just a couple of weeks. Many of these reference pieces are on steroids and simply never materialize in real world performance.
Other than that - a very good write up, as usuall.
Well mates, this sure does look nifty, but remember what happened to the RS480, which also received Anand's accolades as the best overclocking reference board ever, they couldn't release it right. The Gigabyte board that they talk about in the article was never actually released, and I have a long chain of correspondence with them as it got pushed back more and more. MSI, ECS, and Jetway were the only manufacturers that delivered, and they disabled all the OCing options. Psshhhah!
It's no secret ATI has the ability to produce equal or better chipsets and GPUs than Nvidia - they have done this before. What ATI needs to do is get their sh*t together on the details and CUSTOMER SERVICE - Yeah, they've heard of it but evidently they don't know the MEANING OF IT ! Nvidia ain't much better, but ATI's so called Customer Support is a bad joke. Delivering what you promise is a VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION when you are charging the enthusists market segment El PREMO PRICES for your hardware and you had better DELIVER THE GOODS. ATI has failed miserably and Nvidia ain't far behind despite the fact both companies have reaped fortunes from the consumer enthusiast market. Until both companies improve their CUSTOMER SUPPORT neither are getting any of our corporate dollars.
Okay so the first good vendor (Asus or similar) to come out with a passively-cooled northbridge, the ALC-880"D" audio chip, a Southbridge with better USB performance, and the rest (it can even be a single GPU board so it's under or around $100 in price) gets my money. =P
Does ATI crossfire support NCQ hard drives or not? Have I understood it correctly in that it is not supported trough the 4 SATA ports from the Southbridge but you can get support from the 2 ports from the included Sil controller?
I have read the http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=24...">What's in a name? SATA II Misconceptions
But I still fail to get the facts straight. Does a SATA 2 controller, either from a SB or separate like the Sli, support all of the capabilities in the SATA 2 specs as long as the hard drive does so?
Since I plan on going dual core next, no NCQ seems like a deal breaker to me.
The SB450 Southbridge does not support NCQ. The ULi M1573, used on the retail Gigabyte Crossfire AMD and some upcoming retail boards, DOES support NCQ. The Silicon Image 3132 on the ATI Reference Board supports both NCQ and 3Gb SATA2 on the extra SATA ports.
The just introduced ULi M1575 Southbridge, which can be used with the ATI Crossfire Northbridge (as soon as it hits the market) supports 3Gb SATA2, NCQ, PCIe Gigabit Ethernet, Azalia HD audio, and features competitive USB throughput. The ATI SB600 will also implement all these features.
Anyone have some links to shed some light on this quote.
"There is a lot of discussion on the web these days claiming that you can minimize the impact of the 2T setting with certain options on Revision E AMD processors."
forcing a burst length of 8 and forcing burst2opt can bring back some of the lost performance going to 2T, both these features are on the crossfire reference board.
Also, i mamaged to talk DFI into making a direct copy of the ATI reference that will run reference bios files, we should see this board in October. This board will be released along side the board already designed by Oskar...so you will have the choice of 2 CF boards from DFI.
On page 1, 2nd paragraph the article says:
"AMD had done a particularly excellent job targeting the enthusiast for the new chipset launch, but that realization seemed to come late in the chipset development process."
I suspect that AMD should be ATI.
On page 3, 1st paragraph:
"AMD Crossfire" first, then "Crossfire AMD" later. "ATI Crossfire" or "ATI Crossfire AMD" may be less confusing.
Also on page 3, in last paragraph "AMD Reference Board" is used twice, but the board is referred to earlier on in the article as the "ATI Crossfire AMD Reference Board". "AMD Reference Board" makes it sound like AMD made it.
Question:
How hot did the northbridge get during various phases of your testing? I think a lot of users would appreciate some info regarding operational temperatures. If the ATI chipset turns out to run a lot cooler than nForce4 chipsets, I will gladly forgive the USB speed problems and go with an easier to cool motherboard.
See other comments for NB heat and cooling. My subjective observation is the ATI Northbridge is cooler during heavy OC than the nF4 under the same conditions. However, many of you push boards a lot further than I do so you can take that with a grain of salt. ATI designed this board for the enthusiast and extrene overclocking and temperature under stress was a definite design consideration.
Is it just me or is there a molex connector and small fan on the reference board . . . and what exactly are they for? It looks like the north and southbridge are under the silver ATI heatsink and the black heatsink with lots of fins. I'm not sure what's under the fan and what the molex connector would be for.
Well, I suspect its for the crossfire graphics, but I'd like some confirmation. The passive heatsinks are good, but that itty bitty fan looks noisy. It suggests that whatever's under that fan gets hotter than either the north or south bridge, then again its just a refernece board.
Actually, the silver heatsink is more likely cooling MOSFETs/voltage regulators, while the black heatsink/fan combo is probably for the N/B and the passive black heatsink for the S/B.
The silver heatsink is cooling MOSFETs, the black with fan cools the Northbridge (the small fan is really very quiet), the short heatsink cools the southbridge. I also have another board with all passive heatsinks. On both boards the NB gets warm dutring extreme OC, but I did not experience any throttling or shutdown issues.
The 4-pin Molex is to power the Crossfire PCIe x16 slots.
i have to say that this is nice and interesting we finally have a contender in the NF4 dominated high-end mobo sector. No there's something else than always "dfi NF4" - this is nice. Competition is a good thing so are choices.
I dont know, however, if it is interesting for me, eg. i am preyy ok with my dfi lanpartu....but...
Question: So...i got a X850 - and ('scuse me, i am kinda shocked !) i would need a DIFFERENT card for crossfire ("X850XT Master") because the "normal" X850XT would not work in crossfire (dual) mode????
(Not that i am interested in CF or SLI, i am just not a fan of dual gfx-card solutions. But this just caught my attention.
Regarding USB:
Well that's a shame...but then you can always get a USB pci (oe even pci-ex) card for a few bucks if you want fast and perfect USB 2.0 etc..... this is a bit bad - but then NOT a reason not to get this board. I can get a USB2.0
Btw. a USB2.0 pci-card (got a free slot, i hope so ? :) card at newegg is $5.89 + $4 s/h.....if you seriously think lack of stellar USB performance is a major downside of this board....well :)
quote: Question: So...i got a X850 - and ('scuse me, i am kinda shocked !) i would need a DIFFERENT card for crossfire ("X850XT Master") because the "normal" X850XT would not work in crossfire (dual) mode????
You need two cards for Crossfire to work. One card is a Master card, and the other card is a slave card. I believe there are three Crossfire cards:
Note that I'm not positive on the prices, but the original MSRPs for R4xx Crossfire have all dropped substantially. The X850 XT CF can be used with any X850 series card, the X800 cards are the same, but you would want to get the version with the same amount of RAM as your existing GPU.
Now, here's where things are a bit tricky. At present, let's say you don't have an ATI R4xx card. If you want Crossfire for such a platform, you need to buy a regular card as well as a Crossfire card, and the CF card needs to be in the primary slot. As Wes (or Derek?) stated, you can upgrade in stages if you want by purchasing the CF card first. To my knowledge, you cannot use two CF cards together - I could be wrong on this, but I think you want one card to *not* have the compositing chip and DMS port.
I agree, this board looks amazing! Might be time to sell the DFI NF4 Ultra-D. I really like how the voltages are in decimal increments instead of the precentages like in my Ultra-D.
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Starcraftfreak - Friday, September 30, 2005 - link
So you are saying, the Board supports the dividers for DDR500 also on a Revision C core? I can remember when you published an article explaining it's a new feature of Revision E. Please clarify.SLI - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - link
Everything I have seen thus far on the ATI chipset points to the FSB dropping to DDR333 *IF* you populate all 4 DIMM slots (with DDR400 RAM) This was an issue at the CPU level with AMD Athalon on board memory controller (at first) but has been addressed with the newer steppings. VIA and Nvidia chipsets have support for DDR400 with all 4 slots populated. This is a very important aspect to me and it needs to be addressed.Wesley Fink - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - link
It was addressed in tRAS and Memory Stress Tests in the review - p.5. We had no trouble with 4 dimms at DDR400, though we did have to drop to 2T with 4 dimms as we do on every other AMD chipset. This is more a function of the on-CPU memory controller.sxr7171 - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - link
I don't get it. We switched to SATA to get worse performance? SATA performed worse than IDE in every single benchmark.Scarceas - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
I'd like to know what happens when you try two 6800s in a crossfire motherboard...I'm also curious about what happens why you try crossfire graphics cards on an NF4 SLI motherboard...
Early on I heard rumors that the motherboard implementation would be similar between the two and that mixing motherboard/graphics manufacturers *might* be possible...
Now the hardware is showing up and no one has tried it?
vailr - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Check: page 11 "Ethernet Performance" has format errors:http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...
Copied & pasted:
It will almost always be <em>much</em> lower than what we have measured.<br /> <br /> </span> </div> <div class="adcontainer"></div> <table border="0" width="100%"> <tr> <td align="right" colspan="2"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td><strong><a href="showdoc.aspx?i=2542&p=12" class="smalllink">Audio
tanekaha - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - link
Ethernet page has same problem as b4 hereI`m using firefox latest beta and the browser considers the page done after this line.
Ntttcpr - m 4,0,
I guess u use a template for these reviews I had exactly the same prob with ( and commented similarly ) with I think the asrock dual article.
I guess not many others are getting this prob but I`m glad 2 see some! else has a prob and not just me.
What browser are u using ?
Wesley have u tried 2 view the article with firefox beta ? or even firefox ?
Wesley Fink - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
Articles are created in a document engine by our Web Editor, from basic information layouts we send the Web Editor. The engine generates HTML code. We don't individually generate the code for articles. Any problems with viewing the pages should be emailed to our webmaster Jason.Clark@anandtech.comtanekaha - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link
Thanks for the replies gentsI am not using any blockers or extentions .. apart from FF default pop up blocker.
I will mail jason with the facts (as I see them)
I`ll also send the info to the FF team
THX again
tanekaha
JarredWalton - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - link
If you're using any extensions to block ads or other content, you might want to try disabling those. I've been using Firefox for over a year now, and I don't have any issues with the pages. (Some pages render improperly the first time and I need to hit refresh, but that's generally only on long pages, and it seems more of a FF bug than anything.)n00b1e - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Great article, but how about benchmarking real apps on the overclocked settings and comparing the result to the non-overclocked ones instead of just comparing the highest attainable memory/bus speed overclocks?Quanticles - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Another bought review..."The ATI Crossfire AMD has every option a serious overclocker could wish for."
How about the option to use a CRT? I like to use 1600x1200 at 85 Hz.
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
A 7800GTX or X1800 can easily do 1600x1200 at 85 Hz - and probably outperform X850XT Crossfire. It's all a matter of perspective.In addition, Derek has already said the next gen (X1800), due out in less than 2 weeks, does not have this limitation in Crossfire mode. That's why he did not recommend Crossfire X850/X800 and said to wait a short while. THAT Crossfire solution will also work on this board.
ChronoReverse - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Red Herring. We're talking about the motherboard and how wellit can overclock the cpu). The graphics card is irrelevant (and the limitation on the xfire cards themselves not the motherboard).Myrandex - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
2nd page:The various ATI Radeon Xpress 200 north bridges can also be combined with ULi south bridges. The current ULi 1573 provides all the features of the ATI BS450 except integrated Gigabit Ethernet.
should be SB450
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
I have spoken witrh ATI and several mfgs this morning to update board availability. Between today and the 2nd week of October we should see RETAIL Crossfire motherboards appear from DFI, Gigabyte, ECS, MSI, Asus and a few others. RETAIL availability means you will be able to buy them at New Egg or other e'tailers at that time.X850XT Master Cards are expected to be for sale RETAIL tomorrow, September 28th, with X800 Master Cards several weeks away.
I have a Gigabyte Crossfire AMD in my hands as I write this. It is the release Vewrsion 1.0 board and I received the release BIOS this morning.
eastvillager - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
"yeah, we know our usb performance sucks on SB400, we're fixing it in SB450""Yeah, we know our usb performance sucks on SB450, we're fixing it in SB600"
prediction:
"Yeah, we still don't have USB 2.0 working properly on SB600, wait till SB700, when USB 3.0 comes out and we'll be ok."
Kind of hard to understand how they can do just about everything else on the mobo correctly, but continually screw up USB 2.0. USB 2.0 is a commodity at this point, it is just suppose to work, with no worries, etc.
I use USB 2.0 on a daily basis, it really isn't an area I'm willing to slack on.
Leper Messiah - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Hm. I'm getting a new mobo soon (as in the next 2 weeks). Is this a paper launch, or will we see single slot solutions out there soon? nVidia has set a precedent with the instant availiblity and massive volume (relatively, I mean they're selling below MSRP for a reason) of their 7800 series. It could be more damaging than delaying the R520 if they don't have it and this mobo out STAT.Would be kinda funny though...for years I've run nVidia chipsets and ATi graphics. Looks like it might get reversed...
allnighter - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Agreed. Not that I'm referring to AT's conclusions being questionable in any way, shape or manner, I know they say what they see, but it's pretty much obvious that ever manufacturer/vendor simply handpicks any given piece of hardware that is sent to AT for review, since they all know that AT is pretty much the most trusted site. Although I appreciate early previews we get here, I'm a much bigger fan of reviews of retail products. That's about what you'll be able to buy, right away or in just a couple of weeks. Many of these reference pieces are on steroids and simply never materialize in real world performance.Other than that - a very good write up, as usuall.
TehSloth - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Well mates, this sure does look nifty, but remember what happened to the RS480, which also received Anand's accolades as the best overclocking reference board ever, they couldn't release it right. The Gigabyte board that they talk about in the article was never actually released, and I have a long chain of correspondence with them as it got pushed back more and more. MSI, ECS, and Jetway were the only manufacturers that delivered, and they disabled all the OCing options. Psshhhah!ShadowVlican - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
well i hope i can buy the Xpress200.... ATi ain't real until i can buy their motherboards readily everywhere i go (like nVidia's NF4)Beenthere - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
It's no secret ATI has the ability to produce equal or better chipsets and GPUs than Nvidia - they have done this before. What ATI needs to do is get their sh*t together on the details and CUSTOMER SERVICE - Yeah, they've heard of it but evidently they don't know the MEANING OF IT ! Nvidia ain't much better, but ATI's so called Customer Support is a bad joke. Delivering what you promise is a VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION when you are charging the enthusists market segment El PREMO PRICES for your hardware and you had better DELIVER THE GOODS. ATI has failed miserably and Nvidia ain't far behind despite the fact both companies have reaped fortunes from the consumer enthusiast market. Until both companies improve their CUSTOMER SUPPORT neither are getting any of our corporate dollars.yacoub - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Okay so the first good vendor (Asus or similar) to come out with a passively-cooled northbridge, the ALC-880"D" audio chip, a Southbridge with better USB performance, and the rest (it can even be a single GPU board so it's under or around $100 in price) gets my money. =Pyacoub - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Okay that wasn't supposed to reply to your post. Interesting.Live - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Does ATI crossfire support NCQ hard drives or not? Have I understood it correctly in that it is not supported trough the 4 SATA ports from the Southbridge but you can get support from the 2 ports from the included Sil controller?I have read the http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=24...">What's in a name? SATA II Misconceptions
But I still fail to get the facts straight. Does a SATA 2 controller, either from a SB or separate like the Sli, support all of the capabilities in the SATA 2 specs as long as the hard drive does so?
Since I plan on going dual core next, no NCQ seems like a deal breaker to me.
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
The SB450 Southbridge does not support NCQ. The ULi M1573, used on the retail Gigabyte Crossfire AMD and some upcoming retail boards, DOES support NCQ. The Silicon Image 3132 on the ATI Reference Board supports both NCQ and 3Gb SATA2 on the extra SATA ports.The just introduced ULi M1575 Southbridge, which can be used with the ATI Crossfire Northbridge (as soon as it hits the market) supports 3Gb SATA2, NCQ, PCIe Gigabit Ethernet, Azalia HD audio, and features competitive USB throughput. The ATI SB600 will also implement all these features.
etriky - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Anyone have some links to shed some light on this quote."There is a lot of discussion on the web these days claiming that you can minimize the impact of the 2T setting with certain options on Revision E AMD processors."
I've done some searches and come up with nothing.
Thanks.
bigtoe36 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
forcing a burst length of 8 and forcing burst2opt can bring back some of the lost performance going to 2T, both these features are on the crossfire reference board.Also, i mamaged to talk DFI into making a direct copy of the ATI reference that will run reference bios files, we should see this board in October. This board will be released along side the board already designed by Oskar...so you will have the choice of 2 CF boards from DFI.
Palek - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
On page 1, 2nd paragraph the article says:"AMD had done a particularly excellent job targeting the enthusiast for the new chipset launch, but that realization seemed to come late in the chipset development process."
I suspect that AMD should be ATI.
On page 3, 1st paragraph:
"AMD Crossfire" first, then "Crossfire AMD" later. "ATI Crossfire" or "ATI Crossfire AMD" may be less confusing.
Also on page 3, in last paragraph "AMD Reference Board" is used twice, but the board is referred to earlier on in the article as the "ATI Crossfire AMD Reference Board". "AMD Reference Board" makes it sound like AMD made it.
Question:
How hot did the northbridge get during various phases of your testing? I think a lot of users would appreciate some info regarding operational temperatures. If the ATI chipset turns out to run a lot cooler than nForce4 chipsets, I will gladly forgive the USB speed problems and go with an easier to cool motherboard.
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Corrected.See other comments for NB heat and cooling. My subjective observation is the ATI Northbridge is cooler during heavy OC than the nF4 under the same conditions. However, many of you push boards a lot further than I do so you can take that with a grain of salt. ATI designed this board for the enthusiast and extrene overclocking and temperature under stress was a definite design consideration.
stromgald - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Is it just me or is there a molex connector and small fan on the reference board . . . and what exactly are they for? It looks like the north and southbridge are under the silver ATI heatsink and the black heatsink with lots of fins. I'm not sure what's under the fan and what the molex connector would be for.stromgald - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Well, I suspect its for the crossfire graphics, but I'd like some confirmation. The passive heatsinks are good, but that itty bitty fan looks noisy. It suggests that whatever's under that fan gets hotter than either the north or south bridge, then again its just a refernece board.Palek - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Actually, the silver heatsink is more likely cooling MOSFETs/voltage regulators, while the black heatsink/fan combo is probably for the N/B and the passive black heatsink for the S/B.Wesley Fink - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
On the article board photo:The silver heatsink is cooling MOSFETs, the black with fan cools the Northbridge (the small fan is really very quiet), the short heatsink cools the southbridge. I also have another board with all passive heatsinks. On both boards the NB gets warm dutring extreme OC, but I did not experience any throttling or shutdown issues.
The 4-pin Molex is to power the Crossfire PCIe x16 slots.
michal1980 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
looks good, but where is it? ati must ethier be getting close to releaseing something, ortired of not really being talked about
aGreenAgent - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
It's called a reference board for evaluation purposes :)Board manufacturers get to clone this for their own boards, I do believe.
ariafrost - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
This looks to be one sweet chipset, hope it hits retail really soon.flexy - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
i have to say that this is nice and interesting we finally have a contender in the NF4 dominated high-end mobo sector. No there's something else than always "dfi NF4" - this is nice. Competition is a good thing so are choices.I dont know, however, if it is interesting for me, eg. i am preyy ok with my dfi lanpartu....but...
Question: So...i got a X850 - and ('scuse me, i am kinda shocked !) i would need a DIFFERENT card for crossfire ("X850XT Master") because the "normal" X850XT would not work in crossfire (dual) mode????
(Not that i am interested in CF or SLI, i am just not a fan of dual gfx-card solutions. But this just caught my attention.
Regarding USB:
Well that's a shame...but then you can always get a USB pci (oe even pci-ex) card for a few bucks if you want fast and perfect USB 2.0 etc..... this is a bit bad - but then NOT a reason not to get this board. I can get a USB2.0
Btw. a USB2.0 pci-card (got a free slot, i hope so ? :) card at newegg is $5.89 + $4 s/h.....if you seriously think lack of stellar USB performance is a major downside of this board....well :)
JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
You need two cards for Crossfire to work. One card is a Master card, and the other card is a slave card. I believe there are three Crossfire cards:
X850 XT Crossfire: $349
X800 256MB Crossfire: $299
X800 128MB Crossfire: $199
Note that I'm not positive on the prices, but the original MSRPs for R4xx Crossfire have all dropped substantially. The X850 XT CF can be used with any X850 series card, the X800 cards are the same, but you would want to get the version with the same amount of RAM as your existing GPU.
Now, here's where things are a bit tricky. At present, let's say you don't have an ATI R4xx card. If you want Crossfire for such a platform, you need to buy a regular card as well as a Crossfire card, and the CF card needs to be in the primary slot. As Wes (or Derek?) stated, you can upgrade in stages if you want by purchasing the CF card first. To my knowledge, you cannot use two CF cards together - I could be wrong on this, but I think you want one card to *not* have the compositing chip and DMS port.
Hope that answers your question.
anandtechrocks - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
I agree, this board looks amazing! Might be time to sell the DFI NF4 Ultra-D. I really like how the voltages are in decimal increments instead of the precentages like in my Ultra-D.